There I was, waiting on my partner, listening to the radio kind of vaguely, and wow! Suddenly, Geneva's food scene was the topic of extensive, intelligent and informed discussion. What was I listening to -- I asked myself. It was Savor Life, hosted by Michael Warren Thomas, a long standing food show on WYSL AM 1040 and 92.1 FM. I waited to hear his email address and then wrote him, suggesting he might want to know Alice Waters would be in the area in September. And, then, after discovering his website Savor Life, I wrote and asked him to do an interview for Cooking with Ideas.
Lo and behold! Here are his responses -- I hope you will enjoy learning about his passions as much as I do! And do visit his website to nudge him to update it! You will see why below.
Bibliochef: Thanks so much for agreeing to do this interview. Let’s begin by exploring how you came to have radio shows and why they focus on food. Can you describe your pathway to doing radio?
Michael: I started a natural lawn care/landscape design company in 1989 called Naturally Green, and taught many continuing education courses to encourage people to use fewer pesticides and consider alternatives to lawns. I really enjoyed teaching adults about gardening, and was looking for ways to reach more people. One morning I stopped at Donuts Delight on Empire Blvd, and one of the counter staff told me that my voice would be great for radio. I couldn't interest any stations in having me do a gardening show, but in 1994 I got the opportunity to buy time on a station from 7-8am on Saturday mornings. It cost more than I could afford, but when I mentioned it to Kathy & Stephen Kepler of Sara's Garden Center, they said they would sponsor me until I could attract additional sponsors. Because of that vote of confidence, they have had free sponsorship for the past 15 years.
I'm not much of a morning person, so 7am was a stretch for me to sound coherent on the radio. Over the course of several months the shows after me dropped out and I was able to move to 9am, which is far more reasonable (for me). Unfortunately, most of my sponsors closed for the winter, so I was not able to keep the show going year round and I lost my 9 am time slot in the spring and went back to 7am. In 1996, I heard a food show on the radio in Boston, the Pat Whittley Show, which had been on the air for quite a few years. While I had quite a bit of gardening experience, listening to his show made me realize that I could host a food show and interview chefs and farmers. The food show helped to carry the gardening show through the winter, so I could keep my 9-11am time slot year round.
Bibliochef: Terrific tale! You lead me to ask how, if at all, do you see your radio work as linked to your college degrees in economics, political science and international relations?
Michael: My BA is from the University of Rochester, in Economics & Political Science. Other than the first three years after college when I did economic research for the Center for Governmental Research in Rochester, my liberal arts degree has helped me in more general ways.
BIbliochef: Nice to hear the liberal education angle honored! Some might say that radio is “old fashioned.” Do you agree? And, if not, why not? How have streaming and related technological alterations changed what you do since you started?
Michael: Radio is old fashioned, but streaming and podcasts has brought it into the 21st century. I consider it the "Theatre of the Mind." Unlike video which captures your full attention and leaves very little to the imagination, radio and audio in general allow you to simultaneously do other things like drive, exercise, cook, and garden.
Bibliochef: Love the "theatre of the mind" notion. How do you determine what you will cover on your show(s)?
Michael: I use an organic approach that others might refer to as haphazard. Most of my planning happens during the week prior to the broadcast, which allows me the flexibility to program people as I hear about things happening in the community. I don't do interviews with chains or big box stores, although I ran a few spoof ads for them on April 1st several years ago. I've been a strong proponent of local independent businesses since I started my shows. I am a "Chain of Independents" because I am an independent broadcaster on an independent locally-owned radio station (one of the few) with independent businesses as sponsors. Local businesses are vital for the unique fabric of our community, while the goal of chains to make the experience uniform.
Bibliochef: While your shows focus on a variety of themes, here at Cooking with Ideas we are particularly interested in how you got to food and wine as so critical to what you do? What is your pathway to that? Do you have earliest food experiences that are linked to what you do now?
Michael: I grew up in a family of people who love food. My mother taught home economics for several decades and said that she taught me how to cook so that I wouldn't need to get married until I was 35. I may know how to cook, but my wife is much better. I tend to handle the larger jobs of freezing sweet corn or pesto for winter. One of my most memorable food experiences as a teenager was a meal of 90 cheeses. A colleague of my father's was an engineer from France, and his father was a chef for Charles de Gaulle. He visited NYC and brought back all these cheeses for us to try. There were three trays of about 30 cheeses each, starting with the youngest and third tray had the longest aged cheese. In between offering these trays, he had several cooked cheese courses. I had never had a meal that lasted all evening and into the night, finishing about 2am.
Bibliochef: Amazing -- 90 cheeses! If you could interview anyone (from the Finger Lakes), living or dead, fictional or real, on your show, who would you pick and why? What might you ask that person or those persons?
Michael: I wish I had the opportunity to interview Dr. Konstantin Frank, Walter Taylor, and Charles Fournier. I've been encouraging people for years to meet the key people in the history of our region like Dr. Frank's son, Willy (who has now passed away), and Hermann Wiemer. Say hello to Art & Joyce Hunt at Hunt Country, Scott & Ruth Osborn at Fox Run, Ted Marks at Atwater, Lilian Taylor at Bully Hill, and Bev Stamp at Lakewood. We are lucky to still have family owned wineries in the Finger Lakes, rather than the corporate atmosphere of California wine country.
BIbliochef: You focus on the Finger Lakes, Toronto and Niagara. Why those three areas?
Michael: My website needs updating - I used to host shows about Toronto because there was a "fast" ferry that linked our two cities for several years. I hope to continue covering Toronto and Niagara in the future as only podcasts. At some point there will be another ferry that links our cities, perhaps like the one at the bottom of my main page for Toronto. Unfortunately we had the wrong ship (too big, too slow), using the wrong fuel (diesel), at the wrong time (SARS & 9/11). A closer connection to the most culturally diverse city in the world (Toronto) makes Rochester a better place to live.
BIbliochef: How might you compare the food and wine in the three areas? Do you have favorites in each of the areas in terms of wines? Foods?
Michael: Given that I no longer actively cover Toronto & Niagara, I would change the question to "How would I compare the food and wine around the Finger Lakes?
The small towns around the Finger Lakes are on the upswing, but Geneva is leading the way. Led by Microclimate Wine Bar and The Left Bank event space, the businesses on tiny one-way, one-block-long Linden Street have created a destination that is just beginning to establish itself. The FLX Table won Best New Restaurant in the United States last year, going up against much bigger restaurants in much bigger cities in a USA Today online poll, and the owners are working on several other concepts in the space next door (FLX Culture House, FLX Fried Chicken). A wonderful new restaurant just opened nearby, HJ Stead Company, as well as The Linden Social Club, Kashong Creek Hard Cider, and Wicked Water Wine Bar (just across Castle Street).
Bibliochef: Terrific solution to my question being out of date! And, like that Saturday morning when I heard you on the radio, it is exciting to hear you highlight my home town, Geneva! Given that you also do tours of various sorts, I wonder if you might have a fantasy location for a food tour (allowing your imagination to roam in time and place)?
Michael: About a year ago I stopped doing tours after 24 years of taking bus groups to the Philadelphia Flower Show, and occasionally a few other places. I needed to simplify my schedule and focus on my radio shows. Koning Day Tours runs excellent tours - I would highly recommend them.
Bibliochef: Are you willing to share your favorite recipe using local ingredients?
Michael: Basil from our garden with sunflower seeds in a fresh pesto, with summer tomatoes and sweet corn - it will be dinner tonight! That is a very simple recipe! Another simple one is Mark Cupolo's Sweet Corn Chowder recipe in the first Rochester Public Market cookbook. I've had corn chowder at many restaurants including some famous ones in California and NYC, but his recipe is in another league.
Bibliochef: The following are questions I ask everyone! What’s the absolutely best meal you have ever had? What made it the best meal?
Michael: Dinner at Perigee Restaurant in Toronto, with fourteen courses - all of which had different variations for the three of us dining. They also paired each course with wine, and created a non-alcoholic beverage for each course for the person not drinking wine. The restaurant was in the Distillery District, but unfortunately has now closed.
Bibliochef: What music, films, books related to food would you recommend? Why?
Michael: Botany of Desire by Michael Pollan and all of his subsequent books - wonderful writer and incredibly insightful about the role of food in our world. Dan Barber is another key author/chef, who featured a Finger Lakes farmer in the beginning of his most recent book, "The Third Plate." (For that see here.)
Bibliochef: What do you eat for comfort food?
Michael: Peanut butter, crunchy is better - from Nunda Nut Butters, without salt, sugar, or any additives. It's great with a banana and good bread. That is the key, great bread from Small World Bakery or Flour City Bread Company.
Bibliochef: I usually ask if people have a favorite restaurant in the Finger Lakes region, so let me know if you do! Otherwise, how about a favorite elsewhere? Or, if you cannot address this given your sponsors and your show, just skip this one!
Michael: Favorite restaurant - too many to name. Newest restaurant is HJ Stead Company in Geneva with the phenomenal Sam (Samantha) Buyskes as executive chef. She is an amazing person and I love her food.
Bibliochef: I have not been there yet but am looking forward to it -- and likely an interview with her! In any case, here's my final question: What am I not asking that I should? What question have you never been asked that you have always wanted to be asked? What's your answer?
Michael: What I would ask me? What are the issues that get you riled up?
1) Climate change - we must invest in renewables like we are desperate, because we are. I really admire Bill McKibben and 350.org
2) Lack of local wines in restaurants - We might be the only significant wine region in the world that does not support it's own wineries. There are a few restaurants that do, but when the average in Rochester is 7% Finger Lakes wines by the glass, and our state capital (Albany) only has 4% NYS wines by the glass, it is obvious that change is needed.
3) I would love to see more interesting non-alcoholic drinks in restaurants and bars. Sprite and Coca-Cola are boring and too sweet, but it is hard to find something as cheap (allowing such a high markup) as soda.
Bibliochef: Thanks so much for your generosity and ideas, Michael! Looking forward to hearing you again on the radio!
For a reminder of some of Michael's talents, check out his website here. For a prior interview with him in Edible Finger Lakes, try here. And, for a view of the Finger Lakes form his perspective, try this at flx1.